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abortion. why delete this question?
I don't think there's enough questions on advicenators that mention abortions. I assume there's more females on this site then males, so why does it seem like there are mainly pro-life supporters? We're women. Women with so many choices and laws that allow us those choices. I agree in having your own opinion, but never force it onto someone else. If someone is considering an abortion, why talk them out of it, bringing it up as a sin and disgusting? I'm proud to be pro-choice & you'd think nowadays more women would be. Why aren't you?
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I have a couple of points to add to the huge list below. First off, I agree with the columnists that say you seem to be forcing your opion a bit.
What gets me about this is the whole feminist take on it really. Why does it matter what sex you are when it comes to this subject? Fundamentally it is a question of ethics and ones own definition of right and wrong. So, by being male, my view seems somehow irrelevant after reading your question/post.
As it turns out I am pro- choice. I dont believe that one can speak of the "rights" of life of a creature that has yet to gain consciousness. This is a highly debatable topic of course, but that is my view. I think aborting a fetus early in its existance is no different than using birth control.
Anyway, all I wanted to say was that sometimes I really get rather frustrated when a feminist view is forced upon an ethical issue. This is not a question of women's rights, and I fail to see how people consistantly try to argue it that way. This is a question on the fetus's rights. It just turns out that in this case (at least in my opinion), the fetus has none.
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I really dont even think this is a question.. but anyways, I used to think like that tooo but I realized there are alot of young mothers who cant take care of kids like they should be taken care of. So why would you want to put a child in that situation? The mother will most likely drop out of schoool, not go back and end up working two, three jobs to support the kid. SOOO ? Does that really make sense? The family will be pn welfar and it will start a cycle. I live in Louisiana so I know.. This is a stupid topic.. This is an advice site, not a discussion one...
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As I scroll down these answers, It's easy to identify the adults from the children. I agree with you, as a pro-choice woman with half a brain.
When I read some questions on here (usual from teens who are pregnant and don't know what to do) there are always multple anti-abortion answers. I've noticed a vast majority of these answers appear to come from very young people. It seems to be that young people are more likely to push their views on others and also more likely to hold opinions on such subjects in a black and white manner. A young person may say "abortion= murder" without having the presence of mind (which comes from education and experience) to see that "no choice= decreased woman's rights" and what a slippery slope that can be. Not to mention the potential quality of life of a child (and the mother) born to a teenager. Anyhow, what I'm trying to say with all this is the reason you don't see a lot of pro-shoice answers here probably is due to the age of the advice-givers, and the hesitance of prochoice advice givers to actually push for an abortion. We're more like to say "explore your options" or "talk to planned parenthood". Statistically, people with increased education are more likely to be prochoice, and I haven't seen a great deal of highly educated answers on this website in general.
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I am not religious, I do not hate abortionists or their supporters, I don't believe aborted babies are in limbo and women who have had abortions are going to hell.
Having said that. I am also pro-life.
I have yet to be convinced by the arguments that the fetus is not alive, or at least possessing such an obvious and direct potential of life that is has no rights at all as a living being.
Since the arguments from the standpoints of logic and biology have failed to convince me that the fetus is not alive I have no MORAL choice but to be pro-life. In a morally ambiguous case, that is one were the most right choice cannot yet be found or proven, we as moral creatures are required to choose the LEAST immoral path. Since I have not been convinced that abortion is not murder, I must error on the side of not-murdering.
I believe in a women's choice, you spread your legs you made your choice. Obviously if we lived in a perfect world this would be fine. But we don't live in a perfect world, rape happens and pregnancy endangers lives, so abortion is necessary in some extreme cases and only in these extreme cases (and I would argue if proven somehow, although I can't imagine how, that abortion does take a life, I would not longer find it acceptable even in those cases.)
In all other cases of abortion today the women is choosing the truth she prefers to believe, the truth that comforts her and grants her total control without facing the logical and philosophical consequences of being in control, not the truth that is supported by logic, biology or morality.
I am a feminist, I am sexually active, I respect and honor my body and it's gifts and I am pro-life because that is the logical conclusion I have come too.
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while I am pro choice, that doesn't mean I believe every woman who gets pregnant by accident should have one.
I just want the option to have an abortion. I don't believe in abortion because of over population, or as a way to pick and choose the gender and characteristics of your child, it's an option. Being pro choice is about being able to make your own decisions- hence the word "choice". When someone has an unwanted pregnancy whether here or in real life, I will always talk to them about all the options I'm aware of. When you confront a problem, most people with a solid head on their shoulders don't just consider one solution there are two or more sides to every issue.
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I will start this off by saying I am pro-choice. I don't believe anyone has any right to dictate over another person what they should do w/their bodies. If someone is raped and becomes pregnant, I can understand why they would chose to abort the baby. But, Personally, I am against abortion. I consider it murder. You have to see a little known film called "Silent Screams". This film was produced by a medical doctor who USE to perform abortions. He was originally making it to teach the abortion process and what it did was teach him instead. When he viewed the film what he saw changed his practice forever. He saw the fetus screaming and crying for it's life while trying to escape being aborted. After that he never performed another abortion and he turned this film into one to teach against abortion. I have included some websites below so that you can view the film. CAUTION, YOU HAVE TO BE AT LEAST 12 YEARS OLD OR OLDER TO VIEW THESE PICTURES OR FILMS.
Personally I wish people would practice safe sex and/or preventive measures and not get pregnant in the first place. That would eliminate the need to have an abortion. But, if someone I know finds themselves in the position they feel they have to get an abortion, I'd support their decision and be there for them. There is no since in ridiculing someone for their decision because it is a lot tougher emotionally on women than is publicized. I have several friends who have had abortions and they regret it, or feel guilty. They have to live w/their decision for the rest of their lives. They don't need me or anyone else condemning them. They will do a great job doing it to themselves. So those of you who spit out hell and damnation edicts and say that you are Christian? Where is your compassion? Wasn't it Christ who said, "He who is without sin cast the first stone"? Christ was compassonate and loving. He was there for everyone, no matter what they did or where they came from. He loves and loved us and them all. Isn't it our mission to be Christ like? Then keep in mind that people who decide to get an abortion don't need the rest of us adding to their tribulations. They need our compassion and love. This is a very difficult decision to make. I've been up many a night with women who cried themselves senseless and have gone into depression after this experience. Years later they still speak of the experience with regret. I guess the reason you don't hear more about this is it is too personal an experience and they don't want to relive it publically. Am I pro-choice? Yes, I don't have the right to dictate to anyone what they should or should not do w/their bodies. But, I do wish that people would simply do what it takes not to get pregnant in the first place since we have so many safe readily accessible methods of preventing pregnancy.
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Because you had your choice already. You had sex. Now you've created a life and because you fucked up, this baby now must pay. Give it up for adoption if you don't want it, but don't give me this bullshit about it not being alive. It kicks, it needs nutrition, it breathes, heartbeat. What you call pro choice, I call pro death. Give me a 1 on that rating thing, I don't care. But you asked for my opinion. I'm not a religious man, but I'm glad I won't have to stand before God one day and say I killed my own baby.
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" I've been introduced as being prolife, but I want to make clear that I'm really pro-choice. I believe that a person has the right to do whatever she wants with her own body. It's none of our business what choice she makes, and we have no right to impose our morals on others. Whether I like someone's decision or not is irrelevant. She should have the freedom to make her own choices...
Yes I'm prochoice. Thats why I believe every man has the right to rape a woman if that it his choice. After all, it's his body, and neither you nor I have the right to tell him what to do with it. He's free to choose, and it's none of our business what choice he makes. We have no right to impose our morals on him. Whether I like the choice or not, he should have the freedom to make his own choices..."
Exceprt taken out of a book, so not my own words. The term pro-choice is vague, because not all those for the choice of abortion, are in favor of other cases of choice [as the example provided above]. Simply put - and this applies to anyone regardless of who you are - your [and I mean in general] opinion is not disputable.
Just because you have the power to do something, does not necessarily mean you must excercise this right. Example: "Since June 24, 2004, the New York State death penalty statute has been declared unconstitutional by the New York Court of Appeals." Yes states have the right to grant a person the death penalty, but nowhere is it implied nor that they must use or resort to this. Other states do however.
Why talk someone out of it? Or why talk anyone out of anything for that matter? I don't like using generalizations, so I can only say that a majority of people try to talk somebody out of doing something because they think it's wrong or shouldn't happen.
I'm not telling you that you are wrong or that you are right. That was the best I could do right now in terms of answering your questions, since as somebody very clearly stated earlier, this isn't really a question or asking for advice. This is more of a 'hey what do you think' kind of topic. By the way, I'm pretty sure a majority of those pro-choice don't have parents who are... so if you're parents gave you the chance and gift of life, why wouldn't you do the same?
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When people answer question on this site they answer it as their point of view. As if someone answered a question as if they should have an abortion the person answering would give the answer in their point of view. Not what the person wants to here. If you were for abortions you would tell the person why they should have the abortion. If you are not for abortions you will tell the perosn you are not and why they should not have the abortion. Honestly if a teenager or Adult can have sex in the first place && accidently get pregnant then i think they should not have the privleges of getting an abortion. Because having sex in the first place SHOULD show a sign of maturity. Only under certain sercumstances should one be able to have an abortion.
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i agree.... women should have the right to choose! sorry... if anyone gets pissed at this... but if someone isnt ready for a baby.... i think they have a right to choose... i'm not saying its right... but people make mistakes and babys are alot of work, time and money.
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Why I'm not for abortions:
If a woman was careless enough to get pregnant, then an unborn child should not have to suffer because of that.
Everyone should at least have a chance at life. If you kill the baby, that takes away its chance.
Are you aware of the ways they remove the baby out of the women? Many of them involve taking pliers and twisting body parts until they break off. They continue to do so until the baby is all gone. It's inhumane.
It gives teenagers hope to have more sex. They think "oh, it's okay if I get pregnant, I can always just get an abortion!"
Yeah, a woman has a right to her body but that's the thing; what is growing inside her is not her body. It's a separate, unique, developing human being.
Are you aware that if someone kills a pregnant woman then it is considered a double homicide? One hit for the mother and another for the unborn child. So why should the murder of an unborn child be looked upon differently?
And yeah, yeah, everyone can say that if it's a rape then it should be okay. Do you know how low the parentage of rape victims getting pregnant is?
And on top of everything, why not just give it up for adoption? There are millions of couples out there that cannot have kids of their own that would be more than happy to take that "burden" off your hands.
I don't try to talk people out of their opinions; I just help let them see the other side. Now, why do you think abortion is right? And why should women be pro-choice "nowadays"? Because people are getting more carefree and moral standards are going down?
Do you know that most people that are pro-choice and are trying to help make abortions legal are MEN? I wonder why.
Well anyhow, I'm proud to be pro-life in this time and I wish more people would be too.
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america the land of free OPINION and SPEECH this is your view point its ok its legal here people have their opinions and other people have theirs just deal with it you can only hope people make up their minds the way they want it
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You ask if someone is considering abortion why talk them out of it? Having had an abortion myself yes, any opportunity I can get to help someone re-consider adoption instead of a abortion, I will. People that are for abortions are probably people that have never had one. It has many NEGATIVE side effects that a person just can't take. I was diagnosed with severe depression after it happened which was almost 6 years ago and to this day it breaks my heart at the decesion I made. As women when we lay down and have sex we know what can happen and if you dont want a child then you need to use protection. abortion is killing. That is a LIFE growing inside of you not something that you can just throw away if you don't want it. There are so many honest, respectable, nice people in the world that want children so badly but can't have them, why not put the child up for adoption?
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I'm a male,but i completly agree with this viewpoint.
well almost.
i have a few issues with this:
1. i am unsure if there wis really any need to give advice.
2. teen abortions, or rape abortions i think are OK. but it is still life.
if you don't want to keep the child, give it up for adoption..
But you are well educated. for that i congragulate you.
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I wouldn't call individuals against abortion "pro-life supporters". I do understand that might be the common and/or correct title to their cause, but I disagree there because I don't see it fit to title those in support of abortion as murders.
The choice of abortion is a very private one. Whether I happen to oppose this act or not, if I ran into a question of abortion on Advicenators I would provide links to facts and information only, unless otherwise asked for my personal opinion in addition. I wouldn't ever try to talk someone on Advicenators into or out of getting an abortion. The choice is their own. The simple fact of the matter is, I do not live their life, so I can not possibly understand the makings that lead up to their dilemma.
I've been told by a few people against abortion that if someone was foolish enough to fool around with twenty-five different men by the age of twelve then they deserve some sort of major consequence for their actions, but that's all a matter of opinion. One could argue whether it's best to learn the hard way or not, but I don't see how it's fair for them to have to 'learn' this 'hard'.
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Abortion is performed for all sorts of reasons. What if the female considering abortion is only thirteen years old? I am almost eighteen, and I would have a hell of a time having to depend soley on myself for every one of my needs. Now, throw me a child? I realize I can truly only speak for myself, but I'd be screwed. I'm not saying "babies can't raise babies" (as it's often put), because I'm watching my best friend go through it, and she is a terrific mother. It's really all live and learn, but what if some teeny bopper doesn't want the baby? God knows what some people bring themselves to do. It's all a scary thought, and it's all very individual.
If you're interested in debating this topic with other concerned individuals, I suggest the following:
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Now other than that, whatever your stance on this issue seems to be, I find it incredibly commendale that you even have an opinion at all. I think far too many people walk around simply not caring because it doesn't happen to affect them directly at this point in time. Personally, that is the only wrong "opinion" I believe in. The best advice I can give you is to keep an open mind, and stand your ground when appropriate.
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1) That's not even a question, that's your opinion.
2) This site is not about opinion.
3) You can't say there's not enough questions about ANYTHING. We get what people have problems with. Would you rather have people make up questions that they don't need the answer to.
And maybe that's why there aren't many of that type of question.
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When somebody gives advice that is from a pro-life perspective, they're not forcing their opinions on anyone. They're just giving advice based on what they would do in that situation, and possibly their own experiences. That's why this site is here. You can just give your own advice based on your opinions. If somebody asked, "Should I get a tattoo?" one person would say, "No--you could get a disease from the needle." while another person would say, "Yes, it's a wonderful way to express yourself." And even though abortion is a much more political topic, it's basically the same thing. The two people gave different answers based on what they know and believe. The point of considering options is to weigh the pros and cons, and different kinds of advice from different people can help do that.
If you want girls to ask you about abortion, you can type in your profile, "I'd really like to help any pregnant women who aren't sure about all the choices available to them." After that, it's just a matter of getting your rating up and becoming the featured columnist, so that people will see you.
As for your last question, I do happen to be pro-choice, but I rarely go out of my way to broadcast this. The only reason I'm saying it now is because it's relevant to your question, which I want to answer as best I can. Remember, it's not just homophobic pro-life fundamentalist religious nuts who force their beliefs on people. And being pro-life is also a choice! You talk about not forcing your beliefs on people, but what were you trying to do when you posted this? I'm not trying to bash you--I'm saying this from experience. When I was just a tad younger, I thought I was "open-minded", and I hated all Christians because they were "close-minded". Luckily, there was an amazing woman in my life--a Christian woman who was the exact opposite of close-minded--to open my eyes to my own ignorance. The "Why aren't you?" at the end isn't so different from a politician that wants your vote, or a beer company that wants your money.
Now, to answer the question in the subject line. Why delete this question? Well, for one, because it's not an advice question. This site doesn't really allow questions like yours--it's for people who need help with problems. Websites such as livejournal.com, deadjournal.com, and myspace.com would be better for this type of thing. Also, it might get marked down by the level I moderators. If a question gets enough ones, it is automatically deleted.
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LadyGoodman is exactly right. Your question is worded in such a way as to imply an insult to anyone who doesn't agree with your point of view, whether you meant it that way or not.
For instance: "I'm proud to be pro-choice & you'd think nowadays more women would be. Why aren't you?"
The way I read that statement, you are saying that all women should have your point of view and be proud of it, or else. And it seems to be completely the opposite of the statement you made before it, "I agree in having your own opinion, but never force it onto someone else."
Imagine if I changed just one word of your statement, so it read: "I'm proud to be pro-LIFE & you'd think nowadays more women would be. Why aren't you?" Do you see how that can be taken as sounding rather snotty and self-righteous? Which, ironically, is what most pro-life people are accused of sounding like.
But as far as your overall question goes, people are individuals who have different beliefs. Some of those beliefs are going to be different from yours. Whether a person is male or female doesn't automatically mean they will think one way or another. There are plenty of women who are pro-life (like me), and there are plenty of men who aren't.
And abortion is a topic that elicits very strong emotions from both sides. Pro-life people honestly and truly believe that it's murdering babies. And I'm assuming that you honestly and truly believe that women should have a right to do what they want to.
Just imagine, if you will, that you 100% believed that a baby's life was on the line, for ANY reason... wouldn't it elicit a strong emotional reaction from you? That's where pro-life people are coming from.
You ask: "If someone is considering an abortion, why talk them out of it, bringing it up as a sin and disgusting?"
I could ask: "If someone is considering an abortion, why talk them into it, bringing it up as a right and commendable?"
And the answer is the same for each question. Because when people ask for opinions, we give them our opinions. And if our opinion is that abortion is murdering babies, then that's what we will say. And if your opinion is that abortion is fine, then that's what you will say. It's not fair of someone to say it's ok to answer people's questions only if they agree with their own opinions, but others who don't agree should keep their opinions to themselves and not be allowed to voice them... And that works both ways.
I hope that answers your question.
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I think this question should have been deleted. Not because I disagree with your opinion, but this isn't a debate site. If you say that you understand people with different opinions, then why in the world would you go asking a question about it and acting like it's not brought up enough?
That's why people come and ask here about their options. Some people believe you should do things one way while others believe in another method. We don't need questions like this. I don't know what answer you are looking for but I;'m guessing it's someone who will tell you that you are right and agree with you. Whether I agree with you or not, this question shouldn't have been approved.
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Actually, I agree with you. I try not to get my personal beliefs get in the way of giving advice. It's bound to get in the way to a certain degree, but if someone needs help people should just give it to them without giving them a lecture. If people are against it, they just don't have to answer the question. It's as simple as that.
As for me... I used to be pretty pro-life, but I'm more pro-choice these days. As for the sudden change, I suddenly became more political and more aware of it. I didn't consider the other side of the story before, which I'm trying to do now. I certainly don't agree with it and I would NEVER encourage anyone to get one. But if they do, I can't stop them. People have a right to make a choice like that without someone telling them what to do. They're not "evil" for having a right to make their own choices about things affecting THEM. Anyway, I usually avoid questions about abortion but if someone asked for me for help I'd give it to them. It's a horrible thing for anyone to have to go through, and a person needs help and support not condemnation if they've made a decision to get one. I definitley think there are FAR too many though, and they shouldn't be allowed after a certain amount of time.
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i am totally for abortions :) your body your choice
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While I am pro choice, I think bringing this up in this sort of way is just asking for trouble and you worded it sort of vindictively even if you didn't mean it to sound that way. You say you're for other people having an opinion, but you're clearly kind of attacking pro life people. Why are they pro life? Because it's what they believe and it just falls under their system of morals. One question on advicenators won't talk them out of it. I hate when they push their opinions on us, but we shouldn't push ours on them either. All you can really do is keep your head up and continue to hold onto your beliefs.
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