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Pledge of Allegiance
I need advice on how I can start a petition. I need to know how I officially and legally start it and who do I present it to. How do I organize it? As you can see from my title, the purpose of the petition would be to have some sort of ruling against out-ruling the pledge of allegiance in schools or changing it.
Anyways, do you think because of 'under God' that after over 200 years, the pledge should be changed or withdrawn from any school. Why or why not? Thanks in advance.
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I personally don't think it should be removed.
People are complaining about it, and how it's not fair. What happens if they do get rid of it, and people who wanted it can't say it. It's a lose-lose sititution. I think people who don't believe it's right should not say it. And people who are fine with it, let them keep doing it.
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I am on a partial agreement with you for the "Under God" part of the pledge but still it was the way it is in the history books but maybe you could talk to/or write a letter to your guidence councelor of assistant principal asking if maybe you could just not recite the pledge but still not offend anyone by standing while the pledge is being recited.
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I don't believe that school should be a place for that stuff; only a place to learn. I can see where you're coming from though, and it's a valid point and I respect it. I say go for it for the petition - that's what the good ol' first ammendment is for.
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no. the pledge of allegiance should NEVER be changed.i hate when people say shit like that. very few kids dont believe in god. saying 'under god' doesnt mean they are worshiping god and saying they believe in god. it means they are saying the pledge of allegiance they way it was written.
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I belive it's perfectly fair to remove the pledge of allegiance from schools. Not all people share the same beliefs and now if they are really into saying the pledge then they can! There's no rule against it. Nobody is denied a right. If someone wanted to say the pledge daily then why not put a flag up everymorning and say it?
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In my school, you are not forced to recite the pledge, but you are forced to stand. I personally don't think this is fair for two reasons. For one, people may not belive in God (to disprove anybody thinking "Well all religions have a god.." not everybody has a set religion or belive in any god or any other supernatural being such as agnostics and athiests)Also, if you are not really happy that you are living in the country you live in, and you don't want to pledge allegiance to this country, I don't think you should have to. Even if you didn't have to stand or anything kids get singled out for not standing and reciting the pledge. But I also see that in public schools they belive that since they are mainly run by the government they are suppsosed to say the pledge. My take on this would be that maybe students that would like to say the pledge (as well as teachers)could meet around the flagpole before school starts, like I have seen in other schools. Good luck with your petition.
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The way to start a petition is simple. You need a sheet of paper to write it on, and then just obtain signatures. I made one in an attempt to bring down the weight of class participation on grades... Anyways, here's the steps.
1. Date. Date the time you started the petition, and the time you ended it.
2. Write down your cause. Say "We, the undersigned, believe", and explain exactly what you believe. This would be pledge of allegiance and stuff.
3. After the petition mission is written, start numbering lines for signatures. 50 is a good number to start with, and then increase it be double each time you reach the goal (100, 200, 400, 800, 1600). At 1600, you probably are good to submit it.
4. Attend public events, and obtain signatures from people there. Attend churches and attempt to obtain the signatures at them as well. Go pretty much anywhere to get them. They come quicker than you think. Just ask someone if they'd be willing to sign a petition to (Insert what you want here)
5. Get others involved in the process. Power in numbers=More signatures
6. Submit the petition to the government, be it your school, your town, or whatever you want. Remember that the higher up you go in power, the more like something will be done, yet you will need a substantial number of signatures (School is probabably 400-800, Town is 1600-2400, State is 100,000-200,000, Federal is around a million.)
7. Wait for a result. Make sure to bother them a lot for an answer.
-Steven
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Actually president Eisenhower added "Under God" to the pledge, so get the facts straight.
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The main idea of a petition is to clearly state three points-the situation, your suggestion for the change, and your reasoning behind your suggestion. Your reasoning should be well-researched, preferably with other reputable books and websites to back it up. Try to convey your point in as few words as possible. Most people will not read several pages of data.
It should be addressed to the proper person. This can be your congressman. You can find the address online and sometimes in your local newspaper.
You should have an area for signatures and addresses. It's better if you have enough room after your explanation and plea for signatures.
It should be typed and printed on good quality paper. Make sure you spellcheck it and have several people proofread it for errors. You want a professional, polished piece here.
A couple suggestions for your petition:
While "Under God" is being removed to protect the rights of those that do not believe in God, many feel that it's violating the rights of those who do believe.
God is mentioned in the Declaration of Independence, written by the forefathers of our country.
Good luck in your endeavor.
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NO, we should definately not take "under G-d" out of the Pledge because G-d is a big part of us. We have been punished with hurricanes and tsunamis because we are slowly taking G-d out of everything!! G-d's name is on the dollar and we took him out of that too! Money is now Evil!! No matter what religion the people down the street are, or that kid in the turban is, it is not right to take G-d out of the pledge for the people who belive in a G-d. We need to be reminded that there is a higher power than us every day. There is also my argument for why it should be taken out, but I more strongly belive in keeping it. G-d is a prat of us and our country!
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If you REALLY want to say it, say it on your own time. It sucks for people who aren't born in America, but are citizens of America when they just have to stand. It sucks for people who don't believe in God.
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While this is a good thing to want to do. You wont get very far with the petition. Better yet, anyone in charge of the pledge will not halt what they're doing because of your petiton. They probably wont even notice you have a petition.
I'd love to help you. But then again...I guess I have. By telling you it wouldn't help you and your cause much at all.
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I doubt you can do anything about it right now since there is nothing that says that they are going to take it out. It was just a suggestion that comes up like every year. And considering that it does come up a lot and there have been rumors going around that they will change it but nothing has happened, I doubt it will be happening anytime soon at all.
As for starting a legal petition, simply getting a bunch of students to sign a piece of paper will not work. You need to get an actual petition document thing. Wow that sounded pretty gay. But anyway, and I'm thinking you can find out how to get one from your principal. I wouldn't try anything until they get serious though.
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I don't think this will pass legally, but I'll give my two cents on the situation:
The Pledge of Allegiance has only been said for the past one hundred years or so, not two hundred. It was originally published in a children's magazine in the early 1900's. The pledge became popular, and it has become tradition of most schools to say the pledge each morning.
However, this country was founded by God fearing individuals who built this country on religious freedoms, along with various other important freedoms.
It's bullshit to say that saying "Under God" during the pledge is "unconstitutional," utter bullshit.
If you do not believe in God, simply do not say "Under God"--your rights are not being infringed upon in that way, and neither are anyone else's. However, taking the phrase completely out of the pledge and *making* students refrain from saying "Under God" *is* unconstitutional, in the fact that you are not allowing the freedom to exercise one's religious rights. That *is* an infringment on a person's rights, and should not pass legally.
That is my view on the situation.
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Now days after september 11, 2001, we were forced to stand up every morning and pledge alligence to our country. However, to those students who did not want to stand, have the option to get present a note to the princiaple requesting to not say the alligence.
Your petition will most likliy be over ruled by the state, because of the fact we have the right to make our own decisions. We don't have to stand if we don't want to.
What your trying to do is ban it all together. What about the people who want to stand. Should they have a say so in whether or not they want to pledge?
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'under God' is more than a religious phrase. It's a symbol of our nation's history. United States wouldn't have even been founded if it were not for people in England seeking religious freedom.
Anyone who doesn't like the 'under God' part isn't mature enough to accept it as a HUGE part of history, despite their own spiritual beliefs.
As far as getting the petition started, I can't help you there, but I hope I helped contribute to your argument.
Edit: Some people are acting offended that they should even mutter with word "God". This nation was founded for religious reasons, if anyone gets their panties in a twist because they don't want to say the nation was found under God just because of the word "God" and their beliefs, then they should just not pledge because not saying "under God" nullifies the entire pledge and is a waste of their breath.
If this nation was found under Athiest, Satanic, etc. views, then so be it... that would be fact and there would be no denying it, therefore making it easy and simple for a christian to say "under Satan" because their only pledging to the nation not a religious figure
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Okay. Start a paper with lines to have signatures. Make sure you state what you want exactly. Then talk to the administration on how many signatures you need to get it brought up at the school board. Oh! And I believe that the Pledge of Allegiance should be optional. Whoever wishes to say it should be able to, regardless if it has "under God" in it.
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