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Being fair
Today in English we were reading some story about something to do with someone having a disability wanting to play golf. He had trouble walking and had to use a cart to get around to the hole while everyone else had to walk (obviously I wasn't paying much attention). But, towards the end of class my teacher brought up a good point about what the word "fair" meant to us.
Her question was, "Is being fair treating everyone equally, or giving lea-way to those with disabilities so they can be like everyone else.
I was wondering what it meant to you guys.
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I think fair is giving them what they need to play, but not any kind of advantage. (Like, letting them use the cart, but not giving them any other leniencies.)
Then again... fair should really be totally equal.
Hmmm, I'm all on the fence and whatnot.
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Well, I believe that those who have disabilities should have the same oppurtunities as people who aren't handicapped, which I realise is a lot to ask, but honestly, I think that everyone should have a chance, and just because you aren't disabled doesn't mean that you should have the upperhand over those who are.
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To me, I think it would be to give lea-way to those who are disabled and cant be like everyone else. It gives them a chance, a fair chance, to be "normal" and allows them to feel less akward.
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Well to me it means: should I treat everyone the same whether they are cool/uncool/smart/challeged/etc. or do you treat other people special for the reasond above? and to me personally-treat everyone eqaul, no one is really better than someone (nicer maybe) but not BETTER for example if your in the crowd at school that just kinda lays low you shouldnt have to treat the more outgoing ones special, thats just who they are you should love em' for it no matter how bad YOU think it may be. just like they shouldnd treat you different. YOU JUST GOTTA GIVE EVERYONE A LITTLE RESPECT! HOPE I HELPED -Kelly* :) <3 :)
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Hmm.. I think being "fair" has to do with what kind of people are playing. If you're playing with people who are mentally unstable or disabled, the rules should change a bit to make it 'fair'. They don't understand the rules, but they want to play. So, you make it easier for them, but if you've got a 'normal' person, they should play by the 'normal' rules. Same for someone with a physical handicap. If I only had one leg, but I wanted to show my horse, I could buy a special saddle that allows my 'non-existant leg' to be replaced by something that would hold me in place. I read a story about a girl who had no legs - not even 'stumps'. She rode horses in a special saddle that kindof strapped her in, but would still allow her to fall off. I think that would be fair. If I'm 'normal' and you don't have legs, of course you can ride in a saddle that helps you balance while I ride in a 'normal' saddle.
Treating everyone the exact same only works if everyone's mind and body works the same way.
-FunnyCide
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Wow, that's a great topic! I always considered it to mean everybody treated equally but now that you brought that up, I think it would mean giving others some help so they can do the same things as others.
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I think you don't change the rules. The golf guy was a difficult one though, I remember it. He didn't want the rules of the game changed, just wanted to get from one hole to the next via wheelchair. I'm not a golfer but I don't see why that differs from a golf cart. Anyway, you don't change the rules.
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wow! I've neveR eveR thought of that befoRe. That was an incRediblly poweRful statement; it Really touched me, and I thank you foR that. And to answeR that, I think it's both. I don't believe *ANYONE* is betteR than *ANYONE ELSE*, theRefoRe, we should be tReated all the same in one sense, because no individual is less impoRtant than anotheR -- we all have people that love us, and we all mean the woRld to ouR fRiends and family. In anotheR sense, if someone is physically oR mentally UNABLE to do something [not just a little stupid and can't figuRe out the math, oR doesn't want to be botheRed tRying] but physically oR mentally UNABLE, I think it's unfaiR to expect anything moRe than theiR capabilities fRom them. Look at it this way: pictuRe a baseball game with youR eveRyday oRdinaRy citizens completely healthy enough to play an intense game of ball mixed on a team with mentally and physically challenged people. Now, the "noRmal" people would pRobably be pissed off that theiR game can't be as fun and as fast paced as it could be if the "challenged" membeRs weRen't theRe, and you could see how they could easily feel that way, but looking fRom a "challenged" peRson's peRspective, they'Re doing the best they can... and to not allow them to play because of something they can't contRol.... now *THATS* unfaiR! Just think of how much a "noRmal" peRson does that a "challenged" peRson CAN'T do!! Although I feel that changing the Rules so a "challenged" individual can play the game WON'T kill a "noRmal" peRson, it's unfaiR to taint theiR game because of a few membeRs. I suppose that's wheRe the idea of the Special Olympics came fRom -- it seems Rude, but when you think about it like I just descRibed, it makes peRfect sense, and seems like the best way to go. Honestly, I'm not shoRe if any of this makes any sense to the ReadeRs, but hopefully you can undeRstand wheRe I'm going with this, because it made peRfect sense in my head!
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I think it is a combination of both. I think that if you are running a race with someone who is in a wheelchair, you should let them get a head start. If you are taking a test with someone who is blind, then they should get audio of some sort to help them do their best on their test. I also think that you should only 'accomodate' them once in a while, or else they'll become dependent on the changing of rules and they'll never learn to play fairly.
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I actually agree with your second one. Is being fair treating everyone the exact same or is it changing the rules so that everyone can "play".
This gives EVERYONE the chace to do things or change.
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yeah, i getcha. being fair means, well, here's the legal definition: being fair means giving everybody an equal shake at it, treating everyone with respect to their abilities. the dude may have been a good golfer, but its part of the game to walk. thats like having baseball without any outfielders. cause then its just a homerun derby. sure, he's disabled, but he could play other exciting games and sports like water polo, polo, and billiards. all are equal under the law an in the blind eyes of justice. but not all are expert mathematicians or navy seals. its a fact of life that cripples should get used to, because i will not cater to their needs if they sue me.
-hitler
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anonymous -
Hey, this kind of resembles an argument on affirmative action where certain social groups are given advantages because of the category they reside in.
I think that being fair is treating everyone equally regardless. But with groups like the disabled, it's obvious that we have to accomodate to their needs, but they should be given equal opportunities and be treated the same as every person out there. However, if the disabled person were mentally disabled, we may have to treat them differently for their sake.
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal..."
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This is a very stong question. To me, being fair is not only just playing by the rules, but is also respecting people and giving in to no exceptions. The disabled person probably felt bad when people treated him like he was abnormal and needed special special care. I mean, he probably would have wanted to have gotten treated like everyone else to make the game fair because it isn;t just for you to give a person lea-way just because they're different or have a disablity. Anyway, what I'm saying is that fairness doesn't stop at palying by the rules, but yeah, being fair is treating people equally, and not by giving the disabled people the easy way out because they can;t do things others can, because that isn't being fair to them becuase they probably wanted to be treated like a human-a regular person. I hope I helped. I also feel like you should pay attention in class because these points your teacher makes might just be interesting.
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i think that it depends on how they are disabled. personally, i hate it when people are treated differently even though they are handicapped. i dont beleive in minorities, either. its like, if you dont wanna be singled out, dont call urself a minority. i think that being fair is fair and rules are rules no matter who you are.
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I always though of it as treating everyone equally.
The story about the guy playing golf though made me realize that it's to give lea-way to those with disabilities so they can be like everyone else.
Since he can't just walk and wants to have the same right's as others which would be to play. Then he should get the chance to do so, and if that means getting a cart then so be it.
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