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You answered my question about making a job change recently. After initially accepting the offer, I recanted and turned it down. Later that day the HR Manager left me a voicemail stating management really liked me and wanted to sweeten the offer. I called this morning. Instead of making an offer, she asked me what it would take to get me to come. I gave her a number that was 6% more than what Iwas offered, but still well within the stated salary range. She later sent an email saying she gave the proposal to management and that they were going to pursue other candidates. They didn't even make a counter offer, and said they really didn't think I wanted the job. I thought it was bizarre. (link)
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Hello again,
Well, the reason HR always asks you to tell them what you want, is simply to see what your expectations are. Your expectations and the company's expectations just didn't mesh.
Be glad you found this out now, rather than down the road.
Also, the fact that you accepted the offer, then changed your mind back and forth, then asked for more than 5%... well, when I put it like that, hopefully you can see why they might think twice.
As for all the other things you mentioned in your feedback... nobody here reads minds. Had you made that case to the HR person before you said 6%, you may well have the job. Had you explained yourself here, you would have had different answers, but you failed to do so and expected us to read your mind. Few things are more important than good communication skills and the ability to explain yourself when you are interviewing. (Or asking questions on Advicenators.)
On a side note... your other question says: "...I would get a 10% salary increase."
... which makes me wonder what your motives in posting this here are. Are you simply trolling to see who you can leave abusive feedback for? If you were truly mystified by the turn of events, that has been answered by a number of people. I suggest you go through and apologize for abusing users who tried to help you, if you want to keep your account here. Fair warning.
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Your Feedback:
"My inferred question is: why did they ask me to give them a figure rather than tell me what they were willing to pay? My experience is substantial, so that should not have been a factor. This company does not give substantial bonuses and their 401k plan isn't very good, so salary was a major consideration for me. They told me there was opportunity for growth, but of course would not provide specifics. Plus, this job required a lot more hours than my current position. I was not being greedy at all. Why would anyone go to a more difficult job with little difference in compensation? Plus, the whole process was very fast. It didn't feel right. I bet they end up with a less qualified person who won't last a year and they end up spending considerably more money finding a replacement replacement that the $4k I asked for."
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Original answer:
There is no question here, but if one were to infer a question on your behalf, the answer is pretty straight forward... Your offer was within the salary range, but not the salary range they formulated when they gauged your experience relative to the position.
As someone who has hired (and fired) a few folks over the years, I can state with some certainty that this is what happened. I have also been the person who asked for just a touch more than the person making the offer was comfortable with... and funnily enough, they said the exact same thing you were told.
For the future, here is a good rule of thumb: At a new company, you might expect a 4% raise on a salaried position your first year, if you don't screw up too badly. 5% is pretty much tops for a first annual raise unless you are a rockstar who has made a major difference in the company. With this in mind, asking for 6% is more than they were planning on paying you a whole year from now.
A good suggestion for something they cover as a matter of course: If you have to move for the position, it is not at all unreasonable for you to ask that they cover moving costs as your new employer. Anything beyond that, and you look greedy.
As someone who has been on both sides of the HR desk, I know that 1% over the "greedy" mark, means you are just done. Interview is over. There are exceptions, of course, such as them recruiting a CEO that has a record of bringing companies back from near death, but other than those rare situations, asking for more than your first annual salary bump gets you round-filed.
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I am taken aback by your remarks. I am certainly not trolling to make abusive remarks. Actually, some of the comments to my post were either nasty or just plain wrong. It makes me question the motives of those, like yourself, who claim to want to help. What you I think of your fair warning? Fuck you, you pompous ass.
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