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just wondering


Question Posted Tuesday September 20 2005, 10:28 pm

is it posible to prove that you exist? and i mean "exist" not "are alive".

if yes please do so couze this dam question is anoying me, its stuck in my head

and yes i know its a philosophical question that may not have a right or wrong answer but still


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Dakmor answered Wednesday September 21 2005, 5:26 pm:
Studying metaphysics, eh chap? I did a bit of philosophy last year... except all I can remember is that Saint Exupery wrote The Little Prince, and Descartes was the guy who said "I came, I saw, I conquered." And of course Darwin is unforgettable, if he counts.

No, I do not find it possible to prove metaphysics false. One time when my dad was in college, this guy was obsessed with metaphysics, and in order to prove him wrong, he just punched him lightly. Of course, this really does not matter, because theoretically, my dad could also be ethereal, and he was only imagining the pain. One time my little sister was watching Teen Titans in the same room as I was doing my homework, and apparently they had been fighting this guy so much that he remained ethereally in their minds and they imagined him beating them up, and they got real wounds. In conclusion, it is impossible to prove that you really truly do exist. But don't take my word for it, I only took like a quarter-semester at a middle school, maybe high school level of philosophy. I noticed Saint Gasoline replied, he usually knows what he's talking about.

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Solemnstar answered Wednesday September 21 2005, 1:37 pm:
are you loved?

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TheOldOne answered Wednesday September 21 2005, 8:54 am:
As Saint Gasoline pointed out, "Cogito ergo sum".

But even though you are directly experiencing your own thought process (which I'd think would be pretty good evidence that "you" exist), you seem to doubt it.

So let me put it this way: there's a pretty simple duality here. Either you exist, in which case your question has meaning; or you don't exist, in which case you're nothing more than a chemical machine, and the question is totally meaningless.

But you chose to ASK that question. Which implies that you believe that you DO exist, since otherwise there's no point in asking anything at all.

Okay, granted, that's not an absolute proof that you exist. But you seem to be feeling some discomfort over the issue. Which is, I'd argue, another proof that you exist; I should look up the Latin for "I feel, therefore I am".

So presented with two possibilities, neither of which can be absolutely proven, it only makes sense to chose to believe the one that makes you happier. That way, even if you DON'T exist - even if you're just a machine of chemicals and atoms, following a predestined path - at least you'll be a HAPPIER machine.

Good luck!

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