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I need a little imput On A Difficult Situation I'm in.
I have a question about Christianity my religion or how people react.
I'm Christian and I always will be, a lot of people say gay is a sin. I believe otherwise. I try to explain that is isn't or even if it was God can forgive you. But it just hasn't helped they don't accept gays, some call me gay which I'm not because
I acaccept them. Which I put it aside if they hate them and move on. Some people say I'm not christian because I support homosexuals. Or becuase our beliefs differ.
Ok ivde heard that the bible says homosexuals are sins.
What verse is this supposedly in. I know it doesn't say its wrong just wanna see where people think it says it. So maybe I can retranslate it to what it was supposed to be interpreted
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God didn't make a mistake by making homosexuals. That's how they were formed in the uterus. For other people to not like someone based and homosexuality is simply wrong. If you're in a religion or spiritual you don't hate anybody especially somebody that's born a certain way. That's like saying they hate everyone with red hair. Hate is wrong and hate only makes more hate don't listen to them
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The sins of homosexuality and of eating shellfish are notoriously expounded in Leviticus. It ain't necessarily so! The Bible, after all, also espouses slavery! How much more wrong can one get it than that??! What it means to be a Christian in the modern world, is just something for you yourself to pray upon. There are two approaches to religion: One is Fundamentalism, which means obedience to every commandment, leaving reconciliation with higher moral values and principle to God only, and beyond mere human understanding. The other approach might be described as more constitutional, wherein if not picking and choosing, the prioritization of principle over often conflicting details is inevitable. As for homosexuality, if that is contingent from being fruitful and multiplying, which given over population, may be deemed as already having been accomplished, then pursuant thereto, injunction against homosexuality may be deemed as by that token likewise expired.
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Hey, I am also a Christian and I will always be. I have different beliefs than what is taught at church and I don't really go because they are always judging me. If they are really Christians then they should not judge, because God is the only person that should be judging. They shouldn't be judging what others have done in the past. If they are judging others or accusing you of being Gay then it doesn't look like they are doing their past as Christians. You could take a stand and preach what you believe or you can find another church and Christian friend that aren't going to judge you and support what you preach. I am a lone Christian, which means I practice my beliefs my own way. Try some of those things and I hope I have helped you! :)
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Its been a while since my church going/Bible reading days. While I believed and still believe in some core things such as the existance of Jesus and the Holy Spirit, I also had many things I did not see eye to eye with the church on. If you want to know what the verses are therefore and why and how some Christians believe it to be wrong, you'd have to ask your pastor or someone else in the church who seems knowledge on the Bible. I found in my time that often, many Christians just simply believed what they were told from the pulpit. If a pastor said Homesexuality was a sin, that was good enough for them, some wanted to see the verse, and even if it didnt make sense, they felt maybe they just weren't as intelligent to actually see it and get it so they chose the easiest way, just blindly believe. So I am glad you are asking questions. If the pastor began preaching often that intake of sugar is a sin because it alters your brain chemicals and therefore in an altered state you aren't able to chose to follow Jesus as completely as possible, would you stop eating sugar? No. Likely many others wouldn't either. Although to continue to be accepted they would either guiltily hide that they continued to have sugar in their diet or feel they were a bad Christian for still desiring and wanting sugar no matter what they've been taught. Just as one pastors interpretation of something he read about sugar and the conclusion his mind came to over it, doesn't make it something that God would back up in an instant. Well, the interpretation of the Bible over the centuries but especially when it was being written was based on what was currently the social norm as it was written. I have one good example. You have heard that adultery is a sin. So in todays world, we interpret it as a married couple have sex outside of their marriage. And so we see it as a sin. In Bible times, it was a common practice for a man to offer a weary visitor traveling through, the comforts of his home for the evening, a good meal a bed and often, his wife. A wife back then was still considered his property to make this sort of call. In this case, it was okay for his wife to have sex with another man, because he gave his permission. What the verse against adultery was about was another man stealing a man's wife away to become his partner for life, thus robbing a man of much of his livihood, for the woman was responsible for much back then, growing and preparing of food, making their own clothes and everything involved with the running of his property while he was away earning money. So in essense, the verse about adultery was against the sin of stealing or robbing another man's wife. It no longer applies as such in todays world where women have a choice in who they remain married to. If for some reason they want to leave him, they do. Those men and women without the guts to ask for a divorce, then end up with secret relationships on the side. Their sin if found out, is more for the hiding it and the lying and the breaking of a promise rather than an outsider commiting adulter taking them away. Each person has free choice of their actions. The only time I've heard of this sharing thing working in todays world is in open marriages and in polyamory where one partner of a couple is totally honest with the other and getting their permission before venturing into an outside relationship or even seeking one. THe reasons why seeking don't matter. And few people are able to do so without feeling jealous but of the few people I've met in life who are involved in such relationships, in works well, its not random sex with just anyone but only an approved of partner as in todays world, such things must be monitored closely so no one is bringing home STDs.
I never got a change to research how the idea that homosexuality is a sin came to be. However, I have a good feeling it may be tied to Gods command to Adam and Eve in the beginning to be fruitful and multiply. At that time, the earth wasn't as inhabited as it is today and there was a great need for many children and large families. Disease back then took many of those lives too so it was tantamont for the survival of humankind to reproduce. In todays world, with modern technology and science we live longer, less people die of the diseases of the past and the worlds population is growing at an alarming rate, to the point where we won't be able to grow enough food and livestock to feed us all in the future. Its no longer a need to reproduce. So if thats why homosexuality was a sin, because such a couple could not reproduce, then it no longer applies today. This is what an online friend who was a pastor told me. He had just become a pastor of a church of christians who believed homosexuality is not a sin and had both members who were gay and those who werent but supported them. Sometimes the pastor is gay, sometimes not as in the case with my online friend who was married. I had no idea at the time such churches existed but this was over 10 years ago, almost 12. So if such churches existed then, they must be in more abundance at least in bigger cities. So depending on where you live, you may want to seek such a church in your area rather than to choose feeling like the black sheep in the family at your particular church. You may get asked to leave if they tire of you stirring up what they consider too much trouble and the problem is solved for you. I wish you the best and commend you for being open minded, thinking outside of the box and not being willing to live simply by blind faith. That is not a true faith. You must have the personal convictions that what you believe is right because you have researched it to the best of your ability. Then it is a true belief and faith. So kudos to you! Sorry this was long but I figured a couple different examples would really help show you where I found some discrepancies with what the Bible meant in bible days versus what it means now.
If you are concerned that whatever you research and decide on in life may not be Gods perfect plan, that you may have it wrong, you will end up frozen not making any choices in life. God knows our hearts. So even if in good intention, even after our own studying, we follow a path that may not be perfect, God will not condemn you for it. He is only concerned about those who are trying to be spiritual and grow, getting the answers for themselves like students doing a test, not those who blindly proclaim to believe but have never with thier heart and mind actually come to that conclusion their selves. Big on Gods list is doing your best in treating your fellow man as you would, your own siblings in your family because on the grander level of things, all humans are Gods creation and therefore our family.
Bigger in the sight of God is the good samaritan type, the one who actually does something practical to help a fellow human, no matter their faith or lifestyle, instead of the one who consistantly invites them to church and trys hard to convert them. In being practical with help, that person is acting more like Jesus than the others. Jesus didn't go around inviting people to come listen to him talk or make that the first thing on his list when people gathered around. He was known by the masses of the unchurched by the healings he did and the feeding of hungry people. Thats where being one of Gods family means you are acting like it. Never feel that is wrong just because some people in high positions of the church feel differently. Bless you.
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Good for you for being accepting of how others can be different. Just for the record people don't chose to be gay it is how they are born. Scientist now believe that being gay is in the DNA and is instilled at birth.
One of the reasons people believe being gay is a choice is because for the longest time gays had to make a choice. They had to either live as a gay and face the worlds condemnation or chose to live a lie and attempt to live as a heterosexual. The same is true for transgendered. people who feel they where born into the wrong body. It is only very recently that society has come to realize the truth and be more accepting of Gays, Lesbians and Transgendered.
While I am not a student of the Bible I believe the passage you are looking for, which I have never seen or read goes something like this, "Man will not lie with Man."
"when it comes to the Bible with all of its different versions and interpretations is it truly the word of God or mans beliefs of how god may want people to live and believe. Some believe it is a book of fables.
I believe the Bible is your choice to believe or not to believe and to interpret with your own mind as god gave you. I believe with all the rewriting and different editions that the original works of the bible may have changed from what the were originally to what they are today.
This does not mean you should not believe in your religion, we all need something to believe in. Your open minded will help you better understand and accept you religion which is very good.
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The reason why people believe that being gay or lesbian is a sin is because that is what they were brought up to believe. Not all Christians are homophobic. But most of them are taught to be homophobic for fear of "eternal damnation". And that is passed down generation to generation. Teaching people to hate people they don't know over beliefs that are not initially their own.
People use the Christian religion to persecute others, especially if anybody else is different from them. And they rationalize that up as "religious freedom". Where as if you stand up for your own beliefs they claim persecution against them and the Christian religion.
I wouldn't put too much stock in the bible. It was written and rewritten by men and it's full of misogyny. It is a work of fiction at best. In 150 AD there were factions of "Christian Leaders" around the Roman empire who wrote books for the bible. Then people gathered to review what went in the bible and what they left out. And even those stories have been revised over the centuries. The original bible was gigantic. And now you find them in every tiny hotel nightstand. And there are different versions of the bible just like there are different versions of Christianity. Being the same innate religion, wouldn't things not have to have factions or separations because you are all worshipping the same deity?
Whether they call you gay or not shows how immature and disrespectful they are towards humans they haven't taken the time to get to know.
It shouldn't matter whether or not someone is or isn't gay or lesbian. What matters is if they are a good person.
You are a Christian, but because you don't discriminate towards gays and lesbians makes you a better Christian than most.
The next time someone calls you gay, ask them "So what if I was. Why would you have a problem with it?" And if the first response is "Because it's a sin and you'll go to hell!", tell them "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. Should I save your seat or have Satan bump up your reservation?"
I am sorry if this offends you, but being a humanist looking in on this situation, if "god" really had an issue with sexual orientation wouldn't he have already done something about it?
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