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i hope im not wrong! fruit?


Question Posted Thursday November 16 2006, 9:17 pm

Okay i was taught that anyhting with seeds are fruits: examples: apples, oranges, kiwi, tomato(it is a fruit!) etc. and the foods without seeds are vegetables: brocolli, celery, zuchinni..etc. Is this right?

So then is a pickle a fruit?\IDK!


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Erronius answered Friday November 17 2006, 1:55 pm:
People can go 'round and 'round on this w/o coming to much agreement. Being the internet is the way it is, I'm sure I could find evidence and media to support any stance I'd like to defend /shrug. Be that as it may:

"A vegetable is considered to be edible roots, tubers, stems, leaves, fruits, seeds, flower clusters, and other softer plant parts. In common usage, however, there is no exact distinction between a vegetable and a fruit. The usual example is the tomato, which is a fruit, but is eaten as a vegetable, as are cucumbers, peppers, melons, and squashes." [Link](Mouse over link to see full location)

Under Wikpedia for tomatoes you get:

"Botanically speaking, a tomato is the ovary, together with its seeds, of a flowering plant, that is a fruit or, more precisely, a berry. "

Yes I know this is about cucumbers not tomatoes, but further down on that reference:

"But due to the scientific definition of a fruit and a vegetable, the tomato still remains a fruit when not dealing with tariffs. Nor is it the only culinary vegetable that is a botanical fruit: eggplants, cucumbers, and squashes of all kinds (including zucchini and pumpkins) share the same ambiguity."

Note they mention the Supreme court case that went agaisnt this and classified these as vegetables, as well as the fact that the USDA considers the tomato a vegetable.

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[Link](Mouse over link to see full location) is a pretty good read, but you can skip the part where it ties in to assumptions that only HIV causes Aids, lol.

I'd say that botanically speaking, a cucumber is a fruit. But the problem I'm seeing isn't that you can divide everything up into either fruit or vegetable, as Fruit is more of a scientific, botanical term while Vegetable is more of an every-day term used at home and in the grocery. As it was mentioned in a few of the articles I linked, some items are both a fruit and a vegetable. They aren't mutually exclusive, as the terms arent even on equal footing.

EDIT: Yes, cucumbers do contain seeds (though they have come up with 'seedless' hybrids, as well as versions that don't require pollination though those are exceptions to the norm), and fulfill the 'ripened ovary' requirement. Like tomatoes, you can drop them in specific places, let them rot, and possibly have plants come up there next spring.

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Vikki27 answered Friday November 17 2006, 12:29 pm:
Okay! The science bit...here goes:

Generally, the vast amount of people think that a fruit is defined as a fruit because it is sweet (peaches, strawberries, melon, etc) and vegetables are not. However, if we're going to be scientific about it, a fruit is actually the ovary of a plant. It is what is produed in order to grow a new plant. For example, if you grow a tomato and drop it in the ground, with nourishment, you could grow a new tomato plant from it. Do that with a lettuce or a cucumber and you would end up with a squidgy rotten mess!

A vegetable is the edible part of a plant. The broccoli we eat is the flower of the broccoli plant. Carrots are roots that can be eaten, spinach, cabbage, lettuce are all leaves that can be eaten.

So put simply, the difference between a fruit and a vegetable is that a fruit has the ability to grow a new plant from itself, whereas a vegetable is just an edible part of a plant. By this term, the pickle (as someone has correctly said, a pickled cucumber) is a vegetable.

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loveismurderbabyyy answered Friday November 17 2006, 12:20 am:
pickles are cucumbers. the cucumbers are pickled which makes them pickles. so a pickle is a vegitable. =)

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NinjaNeer answered Thursday November 16 2006, 11:13 pm:
Well, a pickle is neither in the strictest sense.

A pickle is just a cucumber soaked in a brine solution.

Whether or not it's a vegetable depends upon your definition. So if you define a cucumber to be a vegetable, then so is a pickle!

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pootietang answered Thursday November 16 2006, 10:55 pm:
Technically, pickles are vegetables. However, they are so high in sodium that most consider them condiments.

Yes, generally foods with seeds are fruits, but there are exceptions to almost everything.

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