Question Posted Monday September 19 2005, 10:49 pm
Do you believe in Intelligent Design or evolution?
If you believe Intelligent Design is an adequate critique of evolution, then tell me what designed the irreducibly complex designer, please. I'd really like to know!
Additional info, added Tuesday September 20 2005, 11:43 pm: For Bitch_de_Jesus:
You are apparently unfamiliar with the teological argument, which is what the Intelligent Design movement is all about. Here it is, in simple form:
1. Complex, purposeful objects do not arise by chance, but as the result of a designer.
2. The world is complex and purposeful.
3. Therefore, a the world was designed.
The designer, obviously, is going to be just as complex as the thing he designed, right? The designer, a conscious being, is obviously complex and purposeful. So with that in mind, look at the premises of the argument. The first one says that whatever is complex and purposeful must have been designed. Therefore, the designer must have been designed following the logic of the argument.
So you see, the point to my objection is to show that someone using the Intelligent Design argument CAN'T say that "God wasn't created and has always existed" because the argument entails that anything complex HAD to be designed!
Not only that, but the argument also fails because it confuses evolution with random chance. There is nothing random about natural selection, in all truthfulness, so the argument is essentially attacking a straw man.
And while your attempts at personal insult were cute, I will refrain from such beastly outbursts, and instill rely on my intelligent arguments to show that no matter how many times you call me a "dipshit", you still didn't prove your point and only made yourself to look like a shit that is dipped.. Want to answer more questions in the Miscellaneous category? Maybe give some free advice about: Random Weirdos? sbloemeke answered Tuesday September 20 2005, 3:50 pm: The creator is not alive. He's a spirit. And spirits are neither born nor die. He was not created, he just is. He is everything. He's the ground, the planets, the emptiness, and you. Yes, you are a piece of god. And the creator just made himself different, giving up parts of himself for you.
And everything cannot be created or destroyed, according to the laws of science. So, he didn't need to be created according to science. Actually, God created science for us to better understand his ways.
-Steven
exton answered Tuesday September 20 2005, 10:09 am: Intelligent design is another word for creationism.
"Irriducible complexity" is another way of saying "I don't understand how this could have happened, so it must be magic!"
There is no designer.
If you honestly want to learn about evolution, then grab yourself a highschool or college biology textbook. It's not hard to understand, if you're willing to learn. But remember: you're still not going to entirely understand everything. That doesn't mean it's magic, or a miracle; that just means that you're lacking in the areas of chemistry, biochemistry, and biology. [ exton's advice column | Ask exton A Question ]
DangerNerd answered Tuesday September 20 2005, 12:52 am: Something to chew on...
Let us say for the sake of argument that you borrow a car from the lead engineer at Ford.
Then let us also say that you wreck said car.
You have to answer to the engineer who designed the car you wrecked.
It doesn't matter where he went to school, you still wrecked HIS car.
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Let us say that you are given a lollypop by a little boy.
It is his favorite flavor, and he really thinks he is doing you a favor by giving it to you.
For some reason you don't like the sight of it, so you rip it out of his hand and stomp his present into the dirt, thereby hurting his feelings as well as making him cry.
He asks you why you did that...
... Let us assume the little boy has a dad ...
So, you have to answer to the person who gave you the lollypop, not his dad. (Aren't you glad?)
As such, I conjecture that we have only to answer to our immediate superior. That is certainly enough for me.
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