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Question Posted Friday July 8 2005, 11:38 pm

Okay....I would really like to know how John 5:19-47 contradicts God not being a triune God. I would also like to know what other verses sway this thinking in you.

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Sporkster answered Saturday July 9 2005, 2:56 am:
Oh deary me. Sorry about that, I only meant to type John 5:19. Once again, sorry.

In the verse, Jesus says "The Son can do nothing of Himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise" (John 5:19) Jesus is saying, "I can't do just anything I want to, God is directing me. I watch what God does, and I do it. I want to be a being after God's heart."

Think of it this way. You have a father, right? Of course you do, everyone does. That makes you his son/daughter. You share some of the same genes, maybe you even look alike, but are you the same person? No. In this way, Jesus is a Son to God. He has the same Godly characteristics, and wants to do the will of God. He watches God, observes what He does, and seeks to do likewise. However, Jesus had a beginning, and God has always been. God created Jesus (I believe that Jesus may have been an archangel of some sort before coming to earth, but that's just my belief), whereas God is an infinite Being. Always has been, always is, and always will be. That's why He told Moses to tell the Hebrews, "I am." Am is the state of being verb that means just to exist, to be.

Many argue in favor of the Trinity because God can do anything He wants to, including to exist in a triune Being. But if He did exist in three persons, wouldn't they all be equal? How would the Son watch what God does to be able to do it, have lesser power than God, yet still be equal to God? He couldn't. If he could it would be an inequality, or untruth, and God can't lie. God is perfect, without sin. So explain how Jesus can be lesser than God and equal to God at the same time.

Another well-known passage is John 3:16-17. "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved." So, if you believe in the Trinity, this verse means that God sent his Son to earth to die for us, but his Son was really himself, and he was a human and God at the same time but they were of equal and lesser power at the same time too. Does that make sense to you at all?

There's so many other things that point to the Trinity being just church doctrine (the whole St. Patrick and the Druids escapade), but that's all I can bear to type right now. It's extremely late and I'm extremely tired AND I'm pretty out of it. Just email me (sporkstergirlATyahooDOTcom) and I'll retype this and explain it to you better if you want me to.

Sorry for any weirdness that might've occured due to my extreme exhaustion.

<3 Sporkster

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