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I asked the question: (Okay....I would really like to know how John 5:19-47 contradicts God not being a triune God. I would also like to know what other verses sway this thinking in you.) And I looked into your answer.
If what you say is true, that God is not a triune God, how do you explain Genesis 1:26 where God said "let us make man in our image and in our likeness" Who is the us? The Hebrew word for God is Elohim which means one plural God. This is affirmed in Col. 1:16 where Jesus is identified as the creator of all things.
Or how about man being made in the image of God? 1 These. 5:23 says that man is body, soul, and spirit. A triune being made in the image and likeness of a triune God.
Or Jesus is not created nor did he have a beginning. In Is. 9:6 he is called Everlasting Father! This is not referring to God the Father, but rather, Jesus who is of the same essence as the Father. Jesus is everlasting.
Or John 1:1 tells us that in the beginning was the "Word" (Jesus) and the Word was with God and the Word was God. Jesus is the Word according to verse 14.
Or Rev. 1:8 tells us that Jesus is the Alpha and the Omega, ...who is, and who was, and who is to come. Here he is identified as without beginning.
Or Hebrews 7:3 is the most clear as it states that Melchizedek the Priest was like Jesus...Without father or mother, without genealogy, without beginning of days or end of life, like the Son of God he remains a priest forever. Jesus is without beginning of days.
Or in John 5:18, the verse before the one you originally mentioned, states that Jesus made himself equal with the Father, this could not be unless he was of the same essence as the eternal God.
Or Philippians 2:6-9 describes how Jesus is and always will be divine God but voluntarily became a man for our sake. "Being in very nature God...
Interestingly you address God calling himself "I Am" in the burning bush when addressing Moses. You claim that this person is the Father but John 8:58 tells us that Jesus claimed it was himself and the Jews understood this because they wanted to stone him for saying it.
Hebrews chap. 1 tells us that Jesus was not an angel. He always has been and always will be superior to the angels.
Or in John 14:10 Jesus goes so far as to say that if you have seen him you have seen the Father.
Or Matthew 28:19 has people being baptized into the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. Notice that it is not the names but rather the name. This shows us that the three are equal and that the name of one is in essence the name of the other.
Jesus is worshiped as God. Dt. 6:13 says to worship only one God. If Jesus was not God he would have to stop people from worshiping him. Matt. 2:11 Jesus was worshiped by the Magi.
Matt. 14:33 The disciples worshiped Jesus. John 9:28 The healed blind man worshiped Jesus. John 20:28 Thomas worshiped Jesus as God. Rev. 4:11; 5:8-13 all heaven worships Jesus.
How do you explain away this evidence found in the Bible, if God is not a triune God?
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You're using the King James version of the Bible, aren't you? I don't really use that version. Reason I don't is that it was translated from the Latin Vulgate, which was translated by the Catholics who believed in the doctrine of the Trinity. I do have some knowledge of the Greek language, and will try to translate to the best of my ability.
I'll start off with the highly controversial John 1:1:
King James Version:
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
Original Greek:
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with (tov/a?) God, and (tov/a?) God was the Word."
So according to the Greek text, In the beginning (of the World) was Jesus, and Jesus was with God, and Jesus was a god. This does not mean Jesus was God Almighty, it means Jesus was A god.
John 5:18 doesn't necessarily mean that Jesus is saying he's equal to God. He's just saying that he's done the same things as Him. You can do the same stuff your father can, but that doesn't mean you're his equal.
In Colossians, read the whole passage. It says that all things were created FOR Jesus. The earth, the universe, was a gift for Jesus.
As for I Thessalonians 5:23, explain to me the difference between soul and spirit. Are they not the same thing?
As for Isaiah--we'll be everlasting, too, once we're in Heaven. That doesn't mean we're God, though, does it? God was completely alone before he created the universe. The Holy Spirit is simply God's presence on earth. People try to make it out like it's a separate being, but...whatever.
John 1:14 "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth." Jesus is God's messenger, sent to preach and tell us God's word. Also see my explanation of John 1:1. Also, that full of grace and truth part. When I read the Bible, that part just doesn't seem to fit to me. Almost like it had been added on. Hmm...
Just because Revelation 1:8 is in red text, doesn't mean it's Jesus speaking. I fully believe that it is God Almighty speaking. Jesus said numerous times in the Gospels that he was NOT God, and he was not Almighty.
"Or Hebrews 7:3 is the most clear as it states that Melchizedek the Priest was like Jesus...Without father or mother, without genealogy, without beginning of days or end of life, like the Son of God he remains a priest forever. Jesus is without beginning of days."
Where else is Melchizedek mentioned in the Bible? I haven't been able to find anything.
Philippians 2:6
"Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God."
So, Jesus didn't THINK it was robbery to be considered equal with God, but it was? Robbery is a sin, so Jesus sinned and became equal with God? Explain that verse to me.
Verses 7 and 8 says that Jesus, while above man, came to earth and humbled himself, then God exalted him. Why would God exalt himself?
I believe you're misinterpretting John 8:58. Before Abraham was, God was.
So Jesus wasn't an angel. Does that mean he was God?
In John 14:10, Jesus is saying that God's spirit was in him, or the Holy Spirit was in him, and that his works were God's through him.
I don't know how you're getting that out of Matthew 28:19. Nowhere in that verse does it say anything about them being equal, or that one name is in essence the name of the other.
In Matthew 2:11, does it say that the Magi were right in worshipping Him? The disciples called him the "Son of God," not God himself. In John 9:28, the blind man worshipped him, but what is the context of worship? He could have been simply thanking God. In John 20:28, Thomas calls him "My Lord and my God." Jesus is a God, but not THE God. In Revelation 4:11, Lord should be the LORD of the Old Testament, in other words, God. In Revelation 5:8-13, they were praising Jesus, or thanking him, for giving them salvation and allowing them to be priests, kings, and servants of God through his blood.
I stand very strong in my belief of one SUPREME God, the LORD Jehovah who is Almighty, and His Son who He created, Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior.
Just wondering, but why are you asking me about this, and if you don't mind telling, who are you?
I'm just wondering.
Anyway, I hope these answers will suffice, but if they don't, feel free to ask again.
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