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Q: We don't need religion. Hear me out. If Jesus were to come down from Hevan and say "I am the son of God" and showed us all of is water to wine stuff, scientist could test it and then Christianity would become a science and all other religions would be be proven wrong and therefore not be religions.

That was my little prologue, here is my question Is it possible that our societies have reached a point in which we can admit there is no need for religion and have good morals without a book or God(s) to tell us what they are?
Brilliant QUESTION!!! I applaud you for you search for the question of WHo am I? Where did I come from? and where am I going? Beautiful. I have an equally beautiful answer but first.

I think that you are missing the mark just a tad abou the whole miracles thing and the true reason that Jesus came. He did not come to do miracles. He only did miracles so that people would believe that He is God in the Flesh who will be given over to death so that he could free us from it. He became man so that man could become like God. That is he became mortal so that man could become immortal. But that is besides the point. Your question was why isnt natural law Good enough and why should religion be put to the way side.

Well because if I dont belive that man is created in the image and likeness of God and he is just a creature with no eternal destiny and no seed of glory within him then I will treat him like just a creature. I will treat him like I treat my cow. I will be nice for now but if I have to I will kill him and eat him he is just a cow. I will be nice to my mother but if I have to she is just a creature and I can kill her if she gets in the way of my happiness.

We would have to put society as the ultimate Good because our morals would be based on what is fair and good for the society. So like Hitler, Marx, and other Socialists and communists who put society as number one and people where just parts to make that society work they could easily kill people for the sake of making society work or if they got in there way or if they just didnt like you.

BUT BIG OLE BUTT!

IF man is greater than just an ant and not just because we are smarter, but because We are made in the image and likeness of God. If that despair that we feel in our Heart when we think of death as complete nothingness is because man was made for eternal bliss. That feeling we get at the happiest moment of our life and we realize it still could have been a little more perfect or when you realize that the glory of winning the olympics or a world series is over so fast. WE have that thirst in us that little despair telling us we were meant for an eternity of Complete Happiness. That we have to treat eachother as we are. Made in the image and likeness of God. How much more we treat a human when he has the dignity of God. Every great mass killing and trajedy even the Muslim terrorists is because they dont respect the dignity of Human life. That dignity is the driving force of True Christianity. In catholisicm We believe that Man in being created in the image of God gives great dignity but The very fact that God would become man to atone for the sins we have committed just shows how much greater dignity we have for being people. SO by God revealing himself in religion he reveals man to himself. You could never get rid of religion.

You know why


Because people Have been trying to kill religion for 2000 years. It was legal to kill christians for 300 years after christ and on the 313 year Christianity took over the entire Roman empire. It spread from 12 men to Millions in 300 years. The catholic Church has been around and everybody has tried to kill her but christ said . The Gates of Hell shall not prevail.


. Science can't prove love, science can't prove ideas, science can't even prove science. But science does prove the greatness of God for having designed us so smart. Think abou it. The very fact that there is life on earth is statistically almost impossible its like then multiply that to the possibility of intelegent life on earth which is another 1 to 1,000,000,000,000,000,000 then to the very fact that we individuals are here online at this very moment multiply another trillion to that. Science would lean towards a Creator. Any gambling man would. Also the micro biologist, archealogoist and astronomist less than 1 percent are atheist because they appreciate the great design and complexity of life and the cosmos. 50% of all sociologist and psychologist are atheist because they are putting to much trust in the hands of the mindless masses and have a human explanation for all the evils of society. But so do I. God is good and being Good he gives people the freedom to choose their ends. It would be a Bad God that would force everybody to do Good and not let them choose. SO if you do Good you have merit for doing good, if you do bad you dont. BUt any way Good question.



I hope I was of some help to you. Read this it will blow your whistle or float your boat or your preferance. It is from a secular magazine
http://www.travelintelligence.com/wsd/articles/art_755.html

True true, but my question was not against faith or God, it was against religion and how proof of religion makes it a science and therefore there is no need for faith in a science because it is proven.

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